Here's a new concept - maybe it isn't just looks. He probably makes a girl feel like a million dollars and is great in bed.

He has a great voice.

@9:54 AM, yes that's true, he has a marvellous voice.
But he is not attractif and in a certain way I like that even more than what all those supermen-alike weirdo's show of themselves. He's a great actor, and that counts.

"She?" ups his cute factor? ..~crickets~.. Really?

His ALLURE is one of the few Manly men left, not Effeminate looking boys all over tv and movies. Women like real men not girlie looking men.

It's VIRILITY baby..........yeah

"Will they last?" - Of course not - he's too freakin' hot for her!!

he's H-O-T and he's got a super sexy voice......nuff said!

HE'S HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Blog Writer, that you don't think he's cute just goes to show how different perceptions make the world go 'round. It's cool that you don't... but, to many a woman (and, for that matter, man), including me, good god, YES, he's cute. Cute, hot, sexy, utterly edible in every way!!! You name it! I think she's gorgeous too and that they're gorgeous together. Will they last? Who knows. Time will tell. If they make one another happy (and who knows but, without knowing, I'm just thinking positive thoughts for them), I wish them nothing but the best!

Kiefer is so sexy! He's one of the greatest actors around and he's got rugged good looks that is often missing in the industry today. His voice is to die for! Siobhan? Yeah, she's okay, but she has not been able to put that spark back into Kiefer's eyes. His dog, Jayhay has gotten Kiefer to smile more genuinely than Siobhan has! Wish he would relax and rediscover his passion for life. Miss the old Kiefer!

Could it be that you're missing the publicly drunk Kiefer? Because, while I respect that you're clearly not seeing something there that you are missing, I'm just not seeing this "loss of spark" in him at all. He doesn't look bored or unhappy or unrelaxed or spark-less at all to me. What I see when I look at him right now is what I've seen in the past when he's sober and seems to be in a good place. (In general, that is... whether or not it has to do with a woman.)

It's true that we haven't seen a lot of those old familiar photos with him looking three sheets to the wind and he definitely does get a different look on his face and in his eyes when he's in that state. But, to me, not seeing that isn't a bad thing. For one thing, though I know he's always loved to party, I never necessarily believed that he was always deep-down happy at those times. I don't know if he is now either. I just don't see (as I get that you do) that he looks unhappy lately.

We TOTALLY agree about how sexy he is and what a brilliant actor he is, though! :)

rowdy kiefer lover...i think your dead on...she his type physiclly, and i know they are suppose to be madly in love, but all their photos look staged ...almost forced...except one from last august...i think he puttin on show...i miss old crazy kiefer who was always real...and free, he looks sober, healthy biut not crazy about the lady...who knows...

she is after his money! i know people who know her from her days at chanel when she was a model. she always looked for men who were loaded and easy targets...then gets them to marry her quickly. thats what she did with david...and i think poor sweet kiefer is her next target. i hope he wises up and gets a pre nup...bet she will pull a heather mills. im not a nay sayer, or a hater..its what i have been told by very reliable sources in her industry.

Interesting input, Wendy - thanks. The only thing I'd say, from where I sit - not knowing the people you're talking about - is that, while I take your word that you're not being a naysayer or a hater, I don't know whether or not those people are. What you're relating is hearsay and while of course it may be true, it also (depending on the motives of its source(s)) may not be.

You say that she looks for "men who are loaded and easy targets and then gets them to marry her quickly", which makes me curious... has she been married more than once before? I hadn't heard/read that... which doesn't mean it isn't true, of course! But that would be interesting additional information, if so.

she was engaged to a model for chanel. and they had already picked a date, got ring...and such..left him after 8 months of living together when she switch to david agency, and made moves on him...wound up very quickly on his arm and soon was married like in 8 or 9 months...my sources are not big kiefer fans...or non kiefer fans.They have no reason to lie. They just knew her..one worked with her...one was a model at david agency...im not repeatin all the seedy details because you are right it is hearsay...but i think its a very reliable source..i am a kiefer fan, and dont want to think of him ..like an easy target, i hope if this is true...that he can see it...thats all. I do think its true.maybe she will prove me wrong.

Christy, just curious, are you a friend of hers. If not, she should hire you for PR. This woman seems to have married David for his wealth and position and then when she achieved what she wanted which was a nice position at Allure she dumps David and moves onto Kiefer.

Looks like she moved in on Kiefer in July while she was still married to David; finalized her divorce while Kiefer was in jail and was ready to make her move, free as a bird, when he got out.

Now they are talking marriage after only what a few months. Why the rush for her to marry him? Hmmmmm, inquiring minds want to know.

I wish someone would explain this to me. Kiefer has already been divorced twice and as a fan of his I would just like to see him with a nice woman.

I hope I am wrong about Siobhan because if I am not this marriage will not last either.

by the way, im not wendy...i forgot to post my name. so i dont know her story or rumors. my post was above linda

you gals need to chill...maybe it will be a long engagement. like a few years.

Thanks for the additional info, Jill.

All info is great to have to try to put together the pieces of something from afar. Though I understand what you're saying about these contacts not being Kiefer fans, without knowing anything else about them, I still don't believe that it's possible (for me, from afar) to make a call as to their potential motivation regarding or relationship to Siobhan.

I completely acknowledge that they might be 100% correct about her. I also know, from experience in life, that people's judgement about someone else's motivation can be colored by all kinds of things. Human beings - and the reactions of other human beings to/about them - are complicated things! :)

Siobhan certainly may have all kinds of issues but, if she does, she won't be the only person in a relationship between her and Kiefer with issues. ;) If she's had a complicated past with men... well, Kiefer's had a complicated past with women too. Maybe their relationship, whatever it may be, is a big ol' disaster happening - or waiting to happen. But, then again, maybe it's not. Maybe, possibly, who knows this will be the time they both get it right. Or not. I just think that Kiefer deserves a chance to be happy whatever mistakes he's made in the past... and, who knows, maybe that's where she's at in her life too. Or not. :) Though of course it's possible that she's not good for him, I don't feel like I, personally, have enough information to make that call.

What I can say for sure (speaking just for myself) is that, while I completely get that others are seeing this, I don't at all see that he seems unhappy or bored or lacking in spark in her presence.

So, like most if not all of us, I'm just in watching from afar and hoping for the best for him. I just don't feel like I have enough info, from afar, to make a call about whether or not she's good for him or whether they're good for one another/together... so I'm just thinking positive thoughts and hoping for the best. I understand that others do feel that they have enough information to have made a decision about her/them and it's fine by me to agree to disagree on that. :)

Oops, I typed too much! :D Here's what got cut off...

So, like most if not all of us, I'm just watching from afar and hoping for the best for him. I just don't feel like I have enough info, from afar, to make a call about whether or not they're good for one another/together... so I'm just thinking positive thoughts and hoping for the best. I understand that others do feel that they have enough information to have made a decision about her/them and it's fine by me to agree to disagree on that. :)

Hi Linda. (If you haven't figured out, which you probably have, I'm dillon... just posting under my own name rather than a board id here... :))..

Nah, I don't know Siobhan from a hole in the wall. :D Actually, that's the whole point of my entire position on this subject. I don't know her and, not knowing her, I don't know whether I like her or don't like her or what I think about her at all... and, in the absence of that knowledge, I'm just wishing good things for Kiefer. :)

Given not knowing her or knowing anything about her in a way which I can make a personal determination about the source (which isn't to say that I don't believe Wendy or Jill... only that I don't know them... or the people who gave them this information), I don't feel that I can know: why she married her first husband or why she divorced him; how/why her and Kiefer's relationship developed; how good/bad - they may be for one another.

I certainly don't believe that they're talking marriage simply because of that single, very poorly sourced "news" tidbit that got picked up by all kinds of internet sources. If they are, imo, we out here in fandom don't know it.

If they do get married (and who knows?!), like you, I just hope it works out well. :)

Oops, that post to Linda was from me, Christy... forgot to enter my name... d'oh! :D

LOL, dillon. I actually figured it out after I saw your post to Jill which of course answered my question about you knowing Siobhan. I recognized the writings, LOL.

Here's hoping Kiefer is making the right decisions for himself this time.

See you on the other boards my friend!!

Kiefer has always been hot and always will be. He's classy and even under stress, he served his time with dignity and responsibility. I wish him nothing but good times.

What!!!! No Video!!!

Missing me some HOT, HOT Kiefer jeans in motion.

Come on X17 - where's the clip?

He use to be good looking, but too much smoking has ruined his look IMO. She has that "hamster hair " look that so many New Yorkers seem to love. They are a good couple.

i do think Kiefer is very hot in a (HA HA) "Little Lost Boy" kind of way. i also think Kiefer & Siobhan look cool together and they must have a good, secure relationship goin by the fact that she was comfortable out with him wearing shoes that make her a half a head taller. look at the diff in the height of their shoulders in the first pic.

one thing i groaned to hear about was another article where they said he was drinking again in public for what i think is the first time since he went to jail, looks like the sentence and the therapy didnt do much good. i'd be scared if i were him, thinkin about what it takes for most alchoholics to bottom out, just what it'll mean for him. he seems like a nice guy, i'd hate for him to end up in prison if he drives drunk again, especialy if he hurts of kills somebody like hulk hogan' son.

Wish he could see this and know that there are folks out there who want to see him cut the drinking and get himself togethr.

C'mon guys, they don't have a "relationship" at all! It's all staged, just a PR-thing, Kiefer doesn't show any PDA at all, he never stopped drinking and is still after other hot chicks! Read Defamer, May 23th!

C'mon guys, they don't have a "relationship" at all! It's all staged, just a PR-thing, Kiefer doesn't show any PDA at all, he never stopped drinking and is still after other hot chicks! Read Defamer, May 23th!

What is in Defamer on May 23?

Nothing probably... of course Nancy is Kiefer's best friend and has all the real info. SCHNORT. She wnt to S. Africa to be with him for a while, that's where he was rported drinking again :( in a hotel there with her at dinner. Of course, since Nancy knows all this stuff about him, maybe she could clear all that up, too. He's been photographed w/ her since last AUGUST. DUH... just more since he got out of jail. Sounds kind long for a PR stunt, don'tcha think, everyone? This isn't to make him seem more stable after getting out and if Nan were a fan who kept track of him or had some real insight, she's know that. Oh well. Time to give up being psychic about Kiefer.

Wishin' him that bestt.

Lol - someone got hit on his/her nerves...
I saw this Defamer-sighting, too. Search under Kiefer Sutherland and then "even jackie warner thinks sky sport is overpriced" and you can read the story. Don't know if it's true and there's a mix-up at the date though...

Defamer ain't exactly the new york times and gossip rags that can't get their dates right are about as useful as a broken clock if theyre pretending to keep tabs on celebs for you. Sib's been around for a while, just KS knows how to keep things quiet when he wants.

It's kinda embarrassing to show how jealous you are of a chick you don't know and a guy who wouldn't be interested. :)

Hey - who says he wouldn't be interested?? He just don't know me yet - LOL!!!

Or even better: maybe he was already interested and I dumped him?? How would you know????

I was talking about Nancy the Kiefer Prophet, not you, unless you are Nancy.

In any case, Sib's been around longer than it being for some publicity thing.

That Defamer sighting was 2-3 years old and there was some confusion as to how the story got mixed in with the current stories. I've heard the story before and you'll notice that the date posted is wrong too.

As much as I wish that Kiefer would stop drinking, I doubt that will ever happen. Yes, he was spotted having a drink with dinner in South Africa, but at least we haven't heard stories of him binge drinking in bars like we used to hear on a regular basis. I guess that's progress.

As far as Siobhan goes, no one here really knows her so who knows what's really going on there. I'm not saying those stories/rumours are true or aren't true, but we have to remember that females can be a catty bunch, if they don't like another girl, they will get nasty and say things behind their back whether it's true or not. We've all seen it.

And I've never understood why fans are always saying Kiefer is orchestrating a PR stunt. They said that when he was dating Tricia too. How would this be a PR stunt? It's not like he has anything to gain by being seen with her. I mean outside of the fashion world, she really is a "nobody", it's not like he's dating Angelina Jolie or anything. And from what we've seen and heard from KS over the past 20 years, he seems to do his own thing and could care less about what other people thought of him which makes this PR stunt talk even more perplexing.

I'm glad this is an old story - I would hate to see Kiefer doing still things like that... It would be so good he could stop drinking (what he appearently didn't :-( ), I don't want him to get in any further troubles and want him to live veeeeeery long!!!!

That Defamer sighting was 2-3 years old and there was some confusion as to how the story got mixed in with the current stories. I've heard the story before and you'll notice that the date posted is wrong too.

Hi, I agree with your entire post!

I think they look great together. She looks like she could just put her arm out and tuck him right underneath of it.

Unfortunately his history, as well as others tells us that for binge drinkers "just having a drink" will lead to binging eventually. The old saying that "100 drinks are not enough and 1 is too many " is true.

Unfortunately his history, as well as others tells us that for binge drinkers "just having a drink" will lead to binging eventually. The old saying that "100 drinks are not enough and 1 is too many " is true.

yeah, if he's telling himself and evryone else that he can contol it and whatever, the person he's fooling is himself. of cours, this all fits in with the denial aspect of the drinking too much. Realy thought his dad had tlked some sense into him. This is the fist time i've heard of him drinking after getting out but since it was so out in the open, you'd have to figure that it's something he's not been inhibited from doing at all. its hard to watch somebody so talentd trash themselves but it's a disease and ya gotta' love him in spite of it if youre in his life and it looks like Sib might and if your a fan, theres nothing wrong with still liking him and wishing him well. I feel bad for him but I still like him.

imo, Kiefer is an alcoholic. (I don't say that as a negative judgement of him, but simply as an observation based on what I can observe from afar/have learned from several years of gathering *lots* of available information about the guy.)

Given that belief, I too was hoping that he wasn't drinking now. That said, I'm not surprised to hear that he is. We have no idea whether or not he believes that he's an alcoholic (and, if he doesn't, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks) or ever made any pledge to quit drinking. It's also possible that he's somewhat come to that conclusion (he's certainly talked in the past about alcohol being a problem for him), but still believes that he can control it. There certainly have been a lack of "Kiefer out & about smashed" stories since he got out of jail.

If he thinks that he can "drink a little", i think that he's wrong... but it doesn't matter what I (or anyone else) thinks unless/until he decides that for himself.

As for "talking sense into him", that's not, in my understanding or my experience (my husband is a currently sober alcoholic), how it works. Would that it did. :)

So, we'll see... and I'm nothing but wishing him well too!

How about we just wish them both the best and hope that everything works out the way it's meant to be. I am a fan of Kiefer's and think that the man is no dummy and can handled his life.

As someone who is a Kiefer fan, I too want the best for the man. If I believed that he was truly madly in love with this woman I would feel better about this relationship, but I just don't see the same spark he's had with other women. Obviously, fans have become divided into two camps on this issue and debate has become rampant. Just look at sites like www.kiefergr8.blogspot.com and wwwelizabethsplace.blogspot.com featuring pics of Sib's first wedding as proof of that. Like others before me, I do wish him the best.

Well, Cat, you and all the others are all entitled to your dumb-because-they're-based-on-nothing opinion of them - and I hope for real that theyre happy. you and the ones running blogs that are judging them as fake or doomed have no relationship with KS but gathering pics and maybe being jealous.

i'm guessing the reason the "debate" is rampant is because some people know they dont know and regard Kiefer and Sib as grown ups who can do what they want *and* *some* people dont get that they dont know.

Sib's been around for almost a year, which means she was there through all the other stuff tht went on for him that was bad recently and didn't disappear. maybe factor in that, hmph? and that she knows he's got a very clear alcohol problem, had to before they got together since its public news, and has been with him through the worst bit of it so far in his life. She's got her own carrer and money; she wouldn't need his and instead of picking someone in LA, where he lives, Kief's with her and they have to work to be together. She's been all around the world with him or went on her own to him, too, and travel, even for the rich is a pain these days. give her a little credit. Does all tht fit with them not meaning something to one another? maybe what youre seeing is a grown up relationship without all the carrying on K did in the past. i sure dont miss that.

and... someone's old wedding pics don't mean squat. there are pics from K's weddings too.

Bottom line; i don't think either of them are worried about what a bunch of people who don't know them think and thank god for that...

She wouldn't give him a first glance if he didn't have money. End of story.

These two are a great match. Both are motivated by money , "stuff" and apparently fashion. Not really intellectual types their next purchase, plane ride or restaurant meal.

These two are a great match. Both are motivated by money , "stuff" and apparently fashion. Not really intellectual types. Their world consists of the next purchase, plane ride or restaurant meal.

She wouldn't give him a first glance if he didn't have money. End of story.

Prove it to us. your brave anonymous opinion is nothing. she's got plenty of her own. are you saying that because you think KS is unattractive or that Sib's a gold digger? if so... what's the proff or are you jealous of one of them or both?

it's "thinks so" not "thanks so"....dumb-ass!

ok, did you forget to put your name, cos i sure didn't!
I can't believe you used the childish word dumb!
Oh, well. Not the reason i'm here!
Let me start off by saying,Jealous, picture gatherer, blogger, is so not me!
Can't be jealous of someone you don't know and probably never will! I have enjoyed watching his movies for years and don't give a blast who he is
dating, sleeping with or marrying! I just enjoy posting pics of him,if that is that a crime, then call the cops, i'm not gonna stop!
I have been a fan of his for a long time and enjoy 24 a lot! Gonna miss it when him, when Jacks gone!
OK, the reason i'm here!
In My Opinion, and speaking from experience, when we were first dating,my
guy and me were very much into PDA! we enjoyed each others company and so was Kiefer before he started seeing Sib! Haven't you seen him with, Julia,Kelly, Kathrine and whoever he was with at the time, holding hands, looking into each others eyes,smiling, a lot, and just enjoying being in each others company!Oh and sometimes, he wasn't drunk!!
Not the same with Sib! The latest pics, they are actually conversating, love it, they can talk, but look close, he is not happy, he doesn't smile,he's always looking off somewhere else,and once, we saw them holding hands, if i love someone,i'm gonna walk with him, very close, hold his hand,talk to him,let everyone know he's mine! She smirks at the camera as if to say to us fans,See what i've got and not you, Please,so you've got him, let's see some joy in that fact!
How do you know she has money? Do you know her personally? Probably Not!
You know for a fact she was in SA with him, there was an article stating that when he was drinking in SA(hmm i thought she was helping him with that!),and there was a brunett having dinner with him,presumably, his girlfriend, not with his girlfriend, presumably!
She's been around for almost a year? Wonder if Tricia knew that because in another article, Tricia was with him the night before he checked into jail, and he was supposedly going to propose to her when he got out!OK,He was seen with Sib, in August, was with Tricia in December, was going to ask her(Tricia) to marry him in January and now we're back to Sib!In My Opinion, someone needs to do some math,offically, together since April, and it's now June, of the same year!That is not almost a year!
It's been said that she's changed him, give him some credit, if he didn't want to change, he wouldn't, even with her help! And you don't get over being an alcholic in a few months or weeks,that's a lifetime thing, always labeled a recovering alcholic, speaking from experience,nope, not me, sorry, can't use that against me,but a close friend! You go through depression, rage,fear and dependecy on other things or people, i hope she will be there for him through it all!
Never once said they didn't mean something to one another, but since you brought it up, can you tell us, what they mean to each other,you have no idea, because you don't know them!
And if you do know them, girl give it up, we want details,proveable ones!
Wedding pics, that is not what i was going for, read the article!!They just happen to be with it!And isn't she smiling pretty?!
I hope this a very good relationship that will last throughout eternity and they will both be very happy!
But In My Opinion,not seeing it at the moment, prove me wrong, Sib,make him a happy man!

Yeah, Christy, I saw Siobhan's career on YouTube! What a joke she is. Have you read the fluff articles she has written? Yeah, I know, they're hard to find because there aren't very many of them. I hope Kiefer doesn't start drinking, again, he may go to the fridge and pull out a bottle of her moisturizer and drink it by mistake.

Many fans just want to see Kiefer happy, and, so far, he doesn't look happy at all. Another thing, if Siobhan was dating him last summer, she was still married to David. That makes her a cheat and Kiefer a cad for dating a married woman. Good foundation for a marriage, I daresay.

BTW, who set you up as the Kiefer expert, anyway? Have you had some past relationship with Kiefer? Doubt it.

People are just speculating because no one in the know is talking. Lighten up, girl, and retract your claws before someone gets hurt!

what i've got and you don't!Well, lets see some Joy in that fact!
She's supposed to be "helping him" with his drinking problem, ok,Give the man some credit here, if he didn't want to stop, he wouldn't and no amount of helping would stop him! Sib is there for him, ok, the article read, he was in SA, drinking with a brunett, presumably,his girfriend, presumably, not with his girlfriend!If it was her, great help she was there, huh!
Wedding pics? Did you even grasp what i was getting at? Apparently not!
If they are getting married,I wish for them all the happiness in the world, but In My Opinion, Haven't seen it yet!!

Someone said she was camera shy, Please, she eats it up!!!

by the way, the post before Rowdy is the beginning of mine, and You no name, said she has money,Do you know that for a fact! Probably not!

Rowdy Kiefer Lover, I didn't mention Siobhan's career (I think it was Maven in FL who did) so I'm not sure why you directed that particular comment to me.

As for the rest of your post, I'm just expressing my opinions like you're expressing yours and other people are expressing theirs. We all have a right to do that, even if we don't agree, don't we?

My claws aren't out and I'm not claiming to be a "Kiefer expert" any more than anyone else who's posting her opinions here is claiming to be that.

Like you said, everyone's just speculating... even if we are speculating differently from one another.

I respect your right to feel how you feel and say it even if I disagree with you and hope you'll extend the same respect to me even though you disagree with me.

Ah, okay, I just went back and looked at the post that mentions Siobhan's career. I thought it was signed by Maven in FL, but it's not (seems like it was earlier? it's weird because now there's no sig, not even 'anonymous').

Anyway, it wasn't me. I always post with my name and, if I forget my name, I come back and post to say "that was me." I'm not trying to hide what I think... and I wouldn't have used the word "dumb" to describe other people's thoughts/opinions.

Just as an observation, I notice that the "Posted By" line has disappeared in a few posts. I'm almost positive that the one that starts "The Defamer sighting was 2-3 years old..." was signed by "Heather" earlier. Now there's no "Posted By" line there at all... just as happened with the post that's addressed to "Cat" and that definitely talks to/about people in a way that I haven't and wouldn't (though Rowdy Kiefer Lover and Elizabeth both seem to think that I would).

Just for the record. :)

Many humble apologies, Christy! I was wrong about it being you who posted that comment. Please forgive me! I think that all of this speculation about Kiefer is getting to me, as well as others. As a fitting punishment, I had myself declawed! You are so right that we should respect each other. Again, my apologies!

I am glad that we do agree that Kiefer is hot. I think I am just a woman who enjoys the hell-raising, bad boy Kiefer so much more than the Kiefer who is being presented in the media at this time. He just doesn't seem to have his past passion for life. To hear him really laugh and give us that big gorgeous grin would be to die for!

I so agree with you valarie!!
He has a killer, no pun intended,smile!
And his laugh, awesome!!
And, no name,If you don't miss his hall raising, laughing, and would rather see him like this, ok!

Thanks, Valerie... and apology very much accepted! :D

I can't wait to see him on talk shows (maaaaaaaaaaybe for Mirrors... certainly - I hope! - for the prequel movie) and I think that's when we'll see/hear all of that because he'll actually be talking in front of the camera again. There hasn't been a single interview with him since September, which I certainly can understand (has given him a chance to re-enter public life without having to talk about the DUI/jail)... but I miss hearing him/seeing him in that way too. So I definitely understand what you're saying there. :)

(Going to start a new post, because I can't tell how long these can be before they get cutoff.)

Nope Christy, didn't think it was you at all! Didn't know who it was, notice i said, no name?
I was just responding to a comment!

I also can understand that you miss the BadBoyKiefer. I totally agree that there's a glint that he gets in his eye when he's on a roll that's extremely delicious. It's both sweet and devilish... both little boy and all man... so open and vulnerable and sexy all at the same time. *THUD*

But, for me, while I understand missing that (and there's part of me that does too), because I've thought for a long time that he has a serious drinking problem (I posted what I think about that above so won't write it again here), I'm rooting for him to be able to control it. I wish that I believed that he could have a whiskey or two with dinner and stop at that... but, over time, that seems unlikely to me. We'll see.

So, who knows what the future holds for him... and all I know is that, whatever it is, I just wish him contentment. In my observation, his natural (sober) state isn't happy go lucky... but that doesn't mean (I think/hope) that he can't be happy. I just wish him the best because, for all his complications and complexities, he sure seems like someone who deserves it! :)

Elizabeth, my apologies. You did say "no name"! I just made the (wrong) assumption that you thought that was me too. Sorry for the confusion. :)

Thanks, Christy. Yeah, I hope we get do get a live interview soon, too. I sure miss him!

Wow, Elizabeth, I guess both those rambling "psychic Kiefer love interpreter" posts were yours.

Screech much?

ever think that, i dont know, K and S are in a grown up relationship and/or don't want all the nasty / goofy press that comes along with open public displays of affection? maybe that Kiefer had enough of that after all the other feeding the press did off his life and who are now probably hoping for more snce he got out jail and she respects his wishes? OR.... DUHHH... have you considered she's been around a year for a reason. i didn't see you answer any of the comments I made about the fact she's been there for him before and after some rough times.

you dont know and you care too much in a weird way.

She dumped her husband of less than 2 years for Kiefer, even though they had to get married in Morrocco as NYC was not special. I guess her husband wasn't special either. Ugh! He'll be out partying sooner or later and she won't be there to "monitor" him as it looks like she has been doing thus far.

I wonder if he feels obliged to stay with her since her husband divorced her because of their relationship. Ick!

She's all over it when the camera is around.....I guess she couldn't get the publicity she wanted with her ex.

Don't we all love these brave critical and know nothing posts from anonymous, jealous, junior high school hags? If they split up tomorrow, he still doesn't know who you are; he won't be calling you to come get him through life, and the bottom line is you know nothing and wont admit it. ignorance is angry bliss. GROW UP.

Dear Kirsti... when do you graduate and will the popular girls not invite you to their party? prove your accusing question with... like you know... uh with... like facts. GROW UP.

Oh, are you no name,Maven? Kool, Nice to meet ya!
And to answer your comment,sorry i missed it.
Do you have proof she was with there for him, before and after? Nope, just like we really know nothing! None of us! And the press thing, It's his life, wheather he likes it or not! If he's so upset with it, then maybe he should go and rodeo somewhere again so he can't be found again!!
And if she's been there for a year, where was she the night he got busted?

No prob, Christy!
This place is full of confusion!!
Love it!

Apparently "Maven in FL" is the girlfriend's publicist.

Lol! Maybe she's not "Maven in FL" but "Siobhan in NY".....

hey, Elizabeth, since youre psychic, I would have though you didn't need a name.

As to the other junk you asked Sib's been photographed with K since August last year. she's been seen with him publicly more since he was released and, since well, she's got a carrer of her own, maybe they are grown ups who don't need to be together all the time to have a realtionship.

Heres the diff, little girlfriends, you are trashing her and dont know squat but youre own infantile guesses and i'm just pointing out that you don't know. so... if you are the kind of person who trashes people when you don't know them, just because youre obssessed with a guy youll never meet, that says a whole lot about you more than me trashing you for your attitude or those anonymous cowards for theirs. haven't done that growin' up yet, I see. Oh, and when you have, you'll realize what a screech you've been.

Maven - you're priceless! You give me the laugh of my life!!

Maven, What grsde are you in?
Your ranting is so silly! Screech? sheesh, give me a break!
I would love to know how well you know Sib!
THis is for our opinions and i'm not changing mine because you are a very hyper person that,In my opinion, thinks she knows everything!
If you do, give it up girl!! we're all interested!!

heck i ask you what grade your in and i can't even spell grade!! LOL!

Please stop fighting. A picture speaks a thousand words. As she was walking down the streets of NY was she humming the tune to Pretty Woman in her head, the hooker part, from the waist down of course. Look at the pics of them having lunch on Benny's site. KS is leaving with the silver tray (check) in his hand and she is fighting behind him trying to push his chair in so she can get out of the corner in her killer heels. KS is smiling for the first time, his real smile!!
Man, her feet were probably killing her by the time they walked back to 10th street. The pic showed just how much KS was into her. No RESPECT! What happen to Taxi Service in NY? (laugh) What a show!
I will end by asking whether you think Kiefer is dressing a bit gay lately or is she dressing him gay? I would hate to be watching a gay Jack Bauer when I'm so Straight. What a waste!
Posted by Tishjeans

Tishjeans, I hereby award you the prize for the most ugliness in a single post.

This has been a crazy subject for awhile now. Regardless of how they look in pics, pics can certainly be deceiving, i certainly wish him the very best, if he decides to marry Siobhan. I hope she doesn't take him for a ride, or maybe he should sign a pre-nup before geting married again.I just think he's going to fast with alot of things in his life right now. doing a movie, then 24 trying to get his shit together for the sake of his image. If being around Sib is an image thing for him or her, which I'm getting the feeling it could possibly be this, Maybe he should just live with her for awhile. It takes more than a year of being around someone to really get to know each other. I learned that by going through a divorce. I dated my 2nd husband for 3 1/2 years before marrying him. I learned that from my first mistake (husband). He was finally his real self after 5 years.. I am not trying to tear Kiefer or Siobhan down in any way. I am not a miserable, jealous person.

This has been a crazy subject for awhile now. Regardless of how they look in pics, pics can certainly be deceiving, i certainly wish him the very best, if he decides to marry Siobhan. I hope she doesn't take him for a ride, or maybe he should sign a pre-nup before geting married again.I just think he's going to fast with alot of things in his life right now. doing a movie, then 24 trying to get his shit together for the sake of his image. If being around Sib is an image thing for him or her, which I'm getting the feeling it could possibly be this, Maybe he should just live with her for awhile. It takes more than a year of being around someone to really get to know each other. I learned that by going through a divorce. I dated my 2nd husband for 3 1/2 years before marrying him. I learned that from my first mistake (husband). He was finally his real self after 5 years.. I am not trying to tear Kiefer or Siobhan down in any way. I am not a miserable, jealous person.

someone ask for vid? go to:

dazia24.altervista.org

their new rendezvous just this month (21 June)

With all these pics of SB where is the real love of K,s life. Do you realize that not 1 pic has been posted of K and his daughter being together since he got out of jail. The hell with BS, his daughter has been through everything with K then anyone else. BS just wants a magazine of her own from him. What he needs to do is patch things up with his daughter before he can move on. The Pics should be taking with her Dad and his new dog together, not BS. If BS really cared for KS she would move on and leave them alone. What daughter wants another strange woman around during this time. He must be really screwed up, taking fake pics with that woman. I would feel a shame if he was my Dad & totally embarrass. I thank God my Dad would never hurt or embarrass me the way he did with his girl. Is money and image all he cares about. How selfish! Get help with being a father first before taking a 3rd wife. She must have cried her eyes out alone when her Dad went to JAIL. BS back off and leave them alone please! You are trash if you can't understand a father and daughter relationship. The same for his PR's. Get his shit together. What a spoiled rich brat he turned out to be.
Posted by Marie

So, Marie, you know all the nitty-gritty details of Kiefer's relationship with his daughter, how he and she together worked through his DUI/jail term, how she feels about his relationship with Siobhan, etc HOW exactly?

You do realize that the actual portion of his life and their lives represented by the photographs we see of him (whether he's alone or with anyone) is a teeny, tiny fraction of the entirety of his/their lives, right?

p.s. she "wants a magazine of her own" from him? Huh? Where are you getting that from? (Well, I know... from the same place that you're getting all your other inside information. ;))

The idea that she's "moved on" from her ex-husband to Kiefer because she's after Kiefer's money demonstrates a lack of understanding of what the net worth of someone in her ex's financial position likely is vs Kiefer's. They're both wealthy men but, in terms of solid net worth, there's little doubt that her ex is worth far more... and his earning power isn't subject to the rollercoaster ups & downs of an acting career like Kiefer's is. Nor is he, so far as we know, pouring a lot of money into a side business as Kiefer is with Ironworks.

Whatever the reasons why her marriage broke up and whatever the reasons that she and Kiefer are together, it's extraordarily unlikely that it had anything to do with "trading up" financially.

Oh my! This is what i know, sib did have a serious boyfriend before David,who she quickly dumped and move up the ladder with david. when she started dating kiefer in july....he did not know she was still very married and living with david. in early sept,he asked her to attend a public event and she told him the truth. the romance was stalled. kiefer went back to la, where he resarted a fling with a quiet vet. there. Meanwhile david had found out about the affair and he and sib seperated in oct, he filed for a divorced in november. Which was granted in december. at this point kiefer was in jail. his other romance never goes very far because she hates the drinks,fame and the smoking. when he was released in jan, went to vist his daughter in nyc, and got re hooked up with sib. How do i know this? my cousin works at allure. while i cant give her name,she has heard most of this from other staffers. SB is not a sweet,lovely lady unless the cameras are on her. most of the people i know think she is the source of the marriage rumors. the most real photo of them is the one in phone store in nyc. that is him numb, and in daze, and her real personality shows. im not saying they arent a good lookin pair,and they may be in love..altough it sure dosent look like it,on his part. but she is most certainly in love with his fame,money and the press. you can belevie me or not..but thats what i know.

by the way christy, i think kiefer since 24 is way ahead of david..in the money dept. not to even consider the hollywood fame.this is a step up the ladder.

tara, you may be telling the truth as you've heard it/believe it, but...

If so, that Siobhan's an awfully chatty schemer... not to mention a psychic one. Otherwise, interesting that she'd know to describe the woman Kiefer may've had a fling with in the fall in the exact same way that she's been described on other internet sites. That's where your story gets a little iffy-sounding.

Kiefer was spotted more than once near the Allure offices in the late fall, which doesn't quite match your timeline either. (Not that he necessarily was there to see her, but it casts the "the re-hooked up in January" part into doubt.)

As for him being "dazed" in the photo in the Apple store... either that or he's just... listening. :) Also, though I know that any number of people believe you can see as clear as day that he's not interested in her, I've gotta say that I (and any number of people) can't see that so clearly.

To Anonymous (or tara, if that's you... I couldn't tell) - with his big 24 contract and all his executive producer residuals, etc, Kiefer's a very wealthy guy. But the owner of a modeling agency as big as DNA is *very* likely a whole lot wealthier. If Siobhan's goal is a Hollywood future, wouldn't she be manipulating Kiefer into a lot more high-profile LA sightings? Rather, they've barely been sighted there at all... and both times they were, she wasn't dressed-up or made-up. Evidently, she's both a chatty schemer and ultimately a rather ineffective one.

Also, it seems to me that she got a late start on her golddigging career; I would've expected her to have started working her way up the ladder when she was much younger if, in fact, that was her goal.

Look, I don't know. She may be a horrible person. I'm just saying that all the "evidence" to that effect that I'm reading on this and other sites isn't, to me, convincing proof of that.

convincing proof of that.

back from GA for this stuff... GAG!

well, except for Christy, the psychic, jealous, ignorant shrew-bitch count here is pretty high!!

shouldn't you skreech's be working for the government like Jack Bauer if YOU do know this much from a couple of photos, especially you Marie, since you also know the details of his relationship with his daughter, oh and what affect Sib has had on it. Kiefer would be disgusted if he met you and knew you were spouting this crap. it's insulting to him as a parent and a human beng and says more about the defects of YOUR person that you would imagine this crap. No one would want you for a daughter anyway, especially not a class act like Kiefer. SICKENING.

god, it must be so nice to be you... and know everthing about someone from a couple of pictures.

you're no fan of Kiefer's.. except in your own sick world.

& to Tara; do you honestly think anyone believes you about your mother working at allure? it's the internet. proof baby, proof. i can say i'm the Presidnt's wife if i want...

Sell it so someone else. youre no fan either, just another white-coat and net target.

To all of you big experts:

The SS Kiefer is not pulling into any of your ports... so GET OVER IT. The BS in this situation is what you're spouting. Sounds like all of you would rather have him be miserable without your gorgeus presence in his life thn be with someone else whos all that youre not: rich, beautful, succesful, and with KS. She gets to go home w/ him when theyre togethr and not you. Get over it.

What a bunch of jealous, immature skanks.

hey, just thought i would point out that david has 2 partners in owning the agency and a article on him nd them ran in vogue. they claimed his networth was 50 mil. i think kiefers is more than that. im not saying nything about the lady, or his love life. I just hope he really stops the drinking !

1.Kiefer's drinking will ultimately be the demise of any relationship he has.
2. David B. has been known to scout the bars for young models.
Take what you want from those 2 facts.

1.Kiefer's drinking will ultimately be the demise of any relationship he has.
2. David B. has been known to scout the bars for young models.
Take what you want from those 2 facts.
June 27, 2008 7:51 AM
Posted by: Tammy

Dear Know-Nothing Tammy... care to explain all the coupls who have coped with alcoholism over the course of long and othrwise happy marriages. what an infantile & ignorant person you are. you obviously have no life or life experience.

ANOTHER SHRIEKING PSYCHIC JUDGEMENTAL SHREW.

Oh... & PS tammy: what I took from your "facts" was that youre an idiot on the whole subjct.

Why all the shit about SB? Kiefer been with lots of woman and engaged to many and married 2 times. How many times did you hear reported he was in love? How many times have we hear his friends say he is happy with this one, plenty! KS always told people in interviews that he never displays the ones he loves the most. His Daughter, wife Kelly and other children of course. He was married to her for 12 yrs and we never really seen that many photos of any of them, Kelly always stood in the back ground at events. He protects their privately because he loves them. He loved Kelly very, very much. Rolling Stones Mag. He was with Kelly in April 2007 and their divorce and KS jail time must have been very very hard on them both. She was his best friend, he said in RS Mag. He has never lived with another woman because he was to hard to live with. He likes long distance relationships with Kelly, Bisson (Canada), Trica (NY) that girl in Iceland etc. (This is just my opinion Kiefer does not like any woman on top of him). The rest I wrote were his words on interviews. That should answer your questions about SB. Listen to his interviews Christy and Maven thats proof right there. And the DVD to "I Trust You To Kill Me" he talked about it also. You both are very demeaning. I would not be a bit surprise that Christy and Maven is SB. Very devious if you are. Both of you(SB) Pay Attention: (It means listen) You are way out of control and protesting to much to be anyone but SB. Tara, Marie, Tammy, Karen and the rest, I really respect listening to your opinions. Thanks for the Infor.

posted by Bflywithme

Dear Whoever you are... Yeah, this is SB. I have been in FL and then in GA the last few days and in have time while screwing Kief (i DO get to be on top unlike what you think - he's so little cept where it counts, but then you'll never know). yeah, i'm Sib, and I have time to argue with irrational shrews. if nothing else proves you dont know anything, this post does.

When *I* rely on you to answer my question about KS, it'll be after i have a traumatic head injury. get over your pathetic self. your making nothing more than guesses and whoever Christy is and i we are are saying is tht we dont know.

regardless. you're a huge fool. usually on the internet people come on and make up lies about sleeping with celebs and you do it for me saying i'm boinking KS!

the only thing funnier is respecting the opinions of the other morons here. Thanks for the LAUGH.

Maven in FL- Sorry, I just been to Japan and back and when I was there I saw KS and Rocco staying in the same hotel room together. True or False? There you go again calling ALL of us Morons. Always calling people names. Is that what you did in grade school. You are the moron here and a sick one. Your assignment for today is to read the articles on KieferRocks website and watch Jay Leno's interviews with KS. I'm not going to do your homework for you. As far as KS liking someone on top. He might also like it from behind. Who Knows for sure. So stop being nasty to everyone. We can all do that! You still do not know how to listen or read. I said, he does not like a woman on top of him; meaning in his way. When the truth hurts, that person usually responds in anger. And you are still protesting too much not to be her. You need to take a course in "Anger Management". Again devious! You are always on with Christy, every 2 hrs. You both need a Life or SB does. After all she only gets to share a teeny/tiny/weeny part of Kiefer's.
Post by: Bflywithme

Bflywithme, ignoring all your nastiness because, speaking for myself *only* (since I am myself only... not Siobhan... not Maven in FL... not anyone but myself), I think it's possible to disagree with people without being nasty to them (and my opinion on that subject goes for people I agree with and people I disagree with)... just want to say that it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were true that Kiefer and Rocco stayed in the same hotel room in Japan. In my observation, Kiefer's a complex and complicated and multi-faceted-in-all ways guy.

In other news, I'm not sure why you would leap to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with the belief that it's possible to know everything about Siobhan and/or Kiefer and Siobhan's relationship based on a photographs and rumors *is* Siobhan. People simply perceive the world differently. For example, I've read/seen every interview that you've mentioned and the conclusions I've drawn from them don't, in most cases, agree with yours. That doesn't mean I'm Siobhan. It just means that we interpret available information differently.

Going back to Tammy's post... I can make guesses as to what you're inferring by juxtaposing an observation about Kiefer's drinking with one about David searching for young models in bars but, since I know basically nothing about David, I'll just leave that at guessing. Re: Kiefer's drinking, though, I do suspect that it - along with the highly-sexualized nature of his drunkenness - has been extremely tough, to put it mildly, on his attempts at relationships.

Maven in FL - sure, marriages survive alcoholism but, imo/experience, when it's active (and, though I haven't experienced this, especially, I'd expect, when it spurs infidelity), it's extraordinarily difficult to live with.

imo/observation, his relationship with alcohol is the single most problematic aspect of his life.

Though I included it, my signature isn't showing on the post above. (I've noticed that that sometimes happens on this site and It may appear later... as also sometimes happens.) In any case, it's me. :)

Maven in FL- Sorry, I just been to Japan and back and when I was there I saw KS and Rocco staying in the same hotel room together. True or False? There you go again calling ALL of us Morons. Always calling people names. Is that what you did in grade school. You are the moron here and a sick one. Your assignment for today is to read the articles on KieferRocks website and watch Jay Leno's interviews with KS. I'm not going to do your homework for you. As far as KS liking someone on top. He might also like it from behind. Who Knows for sure. So stop being nasty to everyone. We can all do that! You still do not know how to listen or read. I said, he does not like a woman on top of him; meaning in his way. When the truth hurts, that person usually responds in anger. And you are still protesting too much not to be her. You need to take a course in "Anger Management". Again devious! You are always on with Christy, every 2 hrs. You both need a Life or SB does. After all she only gets to share a teeny/tiny/weeny part of Kiefer's.
Post by: Bflywithme

Yeah... Siobhan. HAH... I'm also Jesus!

is any of that dreck you're offring supposed to mean anything... Oh and i guess since kiefer was now in a hotel room w/ rocco he was gay?? is that your latest excuse for why he's not on top of you. what a riot you are... thanks for the total laugh - both you and what youre spouting HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. made my day. great job...

How can anyone beleive that Kiefer Sutherland is a class act. Here is a ugly fact. There is this special person that you love very very much. He joins the Military, to service his country, goes through basic training, gets shipped overseas, saves a person life and recieves "The Medal of Honor", comes home for a break, is out jogging to stay in shape for when he goes back, gets hit by a drunk driver from behind, is throw 50 feet in the air, his body comes crashing down to earth. The drunk drive is alive but the one you love is gone. We became big fans of 24 not realizing that Kiefer Sutherland is a drunk and gets a DUI, Not one but 2 others and we wonder how many times he has done this without getting caught. The Judge gives him 2 separate sentences. KS is allow to pick the time. He decides to do his time during his break of 24 (PR's say he will do anything to save 24, whatever it was).He gets off easy with only 48 days. You read he gave up his Birthday, Christmas and The New Year. What they did not tell you was, his daughter has college break at that time. This way she can go home and not hear the ugly things drunk drives families can say. That was a good thing of course, she is the innocent one here after all. Her mother probably requested this. Then the fans beleive that KS is a Hero giving up his holidays. He gets Fan mail but what happen to the Hate mail. His PR's believe that a letter like this is hate mail and throw them in the trash of course. To emotional for there Star to read. These are letters of passion not hate. We want DUI drivers off the road. We are trying to save another love ones life, maybe his daughters or someone you love. Will MR KS get it after 20 yrs of drinking and partying. He has a bodyguard to protect him from this passionate & real stuff. He thinks by having a new girlfriend, new dog, new clothes, new phone etc, it will make him feel better about himself. He is only looking good so he can get is licenses back and maybe next time kill someone. He will really bring ugliness to his family because he does not care, neither do his PR's. They know who butters their bread. Penny & Sue read everything about KS. Lets see how much they care about KS and his Fans. Are they PR's? The guy needs tough love in his life. Do you believe he is going to AA GROUP meeting or private ones? Do I want SS Kiefer sailing into my port, do I wish my daughter had him for a father (Hell No), Is he still a class act or Hero now? This is for my son Dean, who is Our true HERO & we miss and love him so much. This is posted by his father who also was in the Navy and serviced his country as a Police Officer for 36 years with Honor. Need Proof, I have it. Will the service men and woman and government members still watch or care about 24 now? Where is their Honor! Shame on them! Help save a Life and get Drunk Drivers of the road, you could be next. This post is for ALL Drunk Drivers. Jack

Thank you for your post and for putting it all in perspective. I'm sorry for your loss and thank your son for his service. Your words were 100% true.

The other part of my post got cut off.
He has a bodyguard to protect him from the real Stuff. He has a new girlfriend, new dog, new clothes etc, he thinks these new items will make him feel good about himself. This shows that KS just does not get it and neither does his PR's. Will they get it when he gets his licenses back and kills someone. Do you beleive KS would attend AA Group meetings or a Private ones? This post is for my son Dean who we love and miss very much. He is Our True HERO. I was in the Navy and serviced 36 yrs as a Police Officer for my country with Honor. Do I want SS Kiefer sailing into my port, do I wish he was the father to my beautiful daughter (HELL NO), is he a class act now. Will other service men and woman and government members still think he is cool or want his vote? Will they still watch 24? Where is there Honor? Shame on them! Penny and Sue's web site reads everything about KS. I know they will read this but will they post it on there web page for all of his fans to see? Are they his PR's too. If they really care for KS they will post this because what KS needs is What we call Tough Love. He is not getting this from his family or this would not have continued for 20 yrs. We are just trying to keep Drunk Drivers off the roads and save maybe your love ones life. Yes this is ugliness and we hope you are never affected with it. Please think of our Son Dean and the Hero he was. Need Proof, I have it. His loving Father Jack.

Thank you Tammy. Your words are making me cry. And it feels good to cry, knowing I'm right about posting this. It was hard. Thanks a million times. Jack

to whomever you are posting about your sons death... if- if - if this is true, i'm sorry but you have no rational reason to make kiefer a public scapegoat of some sort because of his drinking problem. everyting youre saying here is meaningles for your son and Kiefer.

it's up to him to deal with his drinking problem - posts on the internet aren't going to mean squat. you don't have any way to reach him or "fix" him like this.

IF this isn't true, god help you - it's irational to dump all this on a celeb and maybe the person who needs addction help is you. you've never been near the man, youre not in his life and youve got no reason to make these superweird publc announcemnts. if he stops drinking and sends you a "thank you" note i'll apologize..

Jack, I'm tremendously sorry for your loss.

I think that your attack on Kiefer here is fairly irrational, but I understand that grief can have that effect.

I don't think anyone here is defending the practice of drunk driving or that Kiefer ever has or would either.

Again, my sympathies on your loss.

Christy thanks for trying to understand but we were fans of 24-we just can't watch it again. This awareness is to all drunk drivers,they kill.Close people in his life knew he had a problem for 20 yrs. Where were they the night he left the party? He has money to hire a driver or call a taxi,41 yrs & knows the law. NO Excuses. I wish that he could feel our grief or read some letters privately with victims like us. We want to help him realize, it could be his owe or him laying there. We just want to save his life too. Next time he will go to prison for a long time or get life in Prison if he kills someone. Drinking & Driving kills Christy it is NO accident. I'm sure he is sorry but they all are. I just read he was drinking again but with a driver. God! I just want to cry for him. Thanks so much Christy for your sympathy. If you know him, anyone, save him. He always seem like a nice guy on interveiws. Thanks! Jack "For Our Dean"

Jack, this is Tishjeans. Christy gave me the ugliness award. I'm sorry for the ugliness that came into your life. You are a proud father and I honor you and your son. When I first got my licenses, I was speeding alot, couldn't seem to focus on my driving and speed. I got a speeding ticket/my dad made me pay for the Ticket/Insurance. He took me to a funeral where a young girl killed herself by speeding. I remember walking in/seeing a large picture of a pretty girl on top of the Close casket. We know what that means, don't we Jack. My Dad said, baby I don't want you to be that person or kill anyone. We both cried together that night/I couldn't drive for 2 days. My friends say I drive like a old lady. This is the same as drinking and driving. Right Jack? I still remember. Thanks Dad! SS Kiefer should have his driver, drive him into that port. He sets a fine example for his daughter. I feel sorry for them. This is ugliness Christy. I will help at my end Jack. All the best Sir Jack.

Jack, again, my deepest condolences on your loss. I know that the loss of your dear son is a sorrow that will never leave you.

If I had it in my power to wave a magic wand and make the problems of drunk driving (and, as it applies in the specific case and in general, alcoholism) disappear, I *certainly* would do it. I very VERY much wish that was possible.

Since it's not, I agree with you that it's extraordinarily important for people to continue to get the word out about how it's *never* acceptable to drive drunk.

That said, I think that you're imagining people making excuses for drunk driving here (and in general) that people aren't actually making. imo, there really is a difference between being able to extend forgiveness in a situation like this and excusing the behavior.

The bottomline, though, is that I completely understand your sorrow and your anger and I wish you and your loved ones whatever peace with that you're able to find.

Again, my deepest sympathies are with you.

Tishjeans, I think that what your dad said was very smart and my compliments to him for thinking to do that and to you for, hopefully, once and for all getting the message about careless driving.

That said, no, I don't think that a teenager's heedlessness necessarily is a one-to-one comparator for the extremely complicated issue of alcoholism (and other substance addiction) as it relates to drunk (or otherwise impaired) driving. Would that it were so easy.

... and, just as an aside, that you would even THINK to mention/compare the ugliness that I perceived in your nasty personal attack on a woman you don't know who happens to be spending time (of whatever type) with an actor you don't know (to be clear, none of us do) with the heartbreaking, forever life altering horror of someone losing a child in a horrible and preventable accident is, to me, further proof that there's something ugly (or, at the very least, tremendously immature) going on at your core.

jack... i'm sorry if your son did die (i mean its the internet, this could be tru or no, right?) but its silly to say that it has anything to do with Keifer driving drunk. i think the reason i can't totaly believe that youre telling the truth is that using Kiefer for a scapegoat is just irrational. it just makes me think you have some other thing against him snce it makes no sense. it doesn't matter what KS can afford or not, he's got an ILLNESS called alcoholism; its got nothing to do with anybody else being dead unless he drives drinking aga